ChipHP Registered: 02/03/04
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| | 07/21/04 at 02:39 PM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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| I wasn't sure where to post this ? ... Varese's recently released "Rock & Roll: The First 50 Years - The Early 60's" contains a stereo version of "Forever" credited to the Little Dippers ... I have read conflicting reports that the Little Dippers were actually the Anita Kerr Singers who were under contract to Decca in 1960 when the "Little Dippers" version of Forever was released on University ... can anyone set the record (no pun intended) straight on whether or not the Little Dippers were the Anita Kerr Singers ... BTW, there is a stereo version of Forever on the Anita Kerr Singers '60 LP "For You, For Me, Forevermore" ... |
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TonyWatson Registered: 02/02/04
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| | 07/21/04 at 04:44 PM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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| Chip: The Little Dippers WERE the Anita Kerr Singers. Anita and her group provided backups for a few different record labels at the same time, so I'm not sure how restrictive their contract was or whether they were doing it "under the table". If they were contracted to Decca at the time the University version of 'Forever' was released, it might explain why the University track was released under the Little Dippers name. Another possibility is that the University version may have actually been RECORDED for that label prior to the group signing to Decca. There is further discussion on this track by Marty Wekser under the New CD releases forum. I'm still waiting for someone to issue their 1962 charter for RCA, "Joey Baby", released under the name Anita & The So-and-So's. |
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ChipHP Registered: 02/03/04
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| | 07/21/04 at 07:34 PM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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Thanks, Tony ... I found Marty's explanation ... |
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jj Registered: 05/02/04
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| | 07/21/04 at 10:14 PM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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how come a lot of anita kerr stuff is not on cd??
i would die for a box set!!! |
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WES50SMUSIC Registered: 02/03/04
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| | 09/04/04 at 12:10 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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Tony,I second your motion for Anita & The So & So's "JOEY BABY" to be reissued at long last on C.D.......
and while they're at it,they could also put the flip side on,too!("RINKY-TINKY RHYTHM")AND for good measure,
they can do it in 3 track stereo! |
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cblanding Registered: 02/03/04
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| | 09/24/04 at 12:08 PM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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| The Anita Kerr singers can be heard on My Heart Is An Open Book by Carl Dobkins JR for sure, and I think they are on Brenda Lee's Rockin Around The Christmas Tree,and others. |
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Rich1 Registered: 06/08/06
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| | 06/09/06 at 04:38 AM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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Yes, The Anita Kerr Singers were known as The Little Dippers on that one record, "Forever." It was done for writer, publisher, Buddy Killen as a demo. As long as you don't use the same name as artist, you are legally allowed to have multiple label releases. The Anita kerr Singers sang on Brenda Lee's hits to include, "Rocking Around The Christmas Tree" and so many other hit records like Bobby Helms' "JIngle Bell Rock" and "You Are My Special Angel" plus Burl Ives's "Holly Jolly Christmas" and oh so many more. In the 60's you also heard them sing WLS station ID's in Chicago, KMPC in L.A. and many other radio stations around the country and they regularly appeared on Arthur Godfrey. When Anita moved to L.A. she also was singing regularly and the theme song to on The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. So, pull out your old Roy Orbison, Jim Reeves, Eddie Arnold, Al Hirt, Brenda Lee records just to name a few and listen to The Anita Kerr Singers. Anita also was the arranger on the Roy Orbison hits as well as the Al Hirt hits. Anita also produced, "The End of the World" by Skeeter Davis. After leaving L.A. she moved to Switzerland where she still resides. Europe fell captive to the beautiful blend of voices with her lyric soprano too. Some bios have her returning to Memphis, (hometown) but that was only for a while. Switzerland is where her daughters and grandchildren live, so that's where she is now. Visit http://www.anitakerr.com for pics of and samples of her music. |
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Marty Registered: 03/04/04
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| | 06/09/06 at 12:05 PM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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Everything mentioned in the previous posts is correct but the "Forever" session was not a demo. The book "One Hit Wonders" explains that a car dealer financed the session for a new label he just started called University. After the record broke (not cracked - "broke" as in became popular in several radio markets) the Master was picked up by Liberty Records for distribution. The multi-track tapes sit at Capitol which is the source I used for the Varese package. Since the University Master had never been mixed in stereo, we did a remix from the 3-track. "I have been told" (sounds like a post by Tom Diehl) the same story in a phone call with Buddy Killen just before we issued the Varese CD that the "car dealer" story is indeed true.
I'm not sure about the exact origin of the "Forever" that appears on the Decca LP "For You, For Me, Forevermore". My best educated guess (presuming I have any kind of education, which is already something of a stretch) is that the vocals for the Decca session were re-recorded. It's possible that the same basic tracks were used and the session musicians paid for a new session even if there wasn't one. The book "One Hit Wonders" further explains that the musicians on the date were: Floyd Cramer, Hank Garland, Buddy Harmon, Kelso Herston and Bob Moore. It is also mentioned that Pete Drake was on the session (though obviously not playing pedal steel guitar.)
Anita Kerr's groups were really quite wonderful, not only as background singers (along with the Jordanaires, they sang on mostly every country and pop record cut in Nashville for many years), but they did great records as artists too. The LP's on Decca and RCA should be reissued and I think they might have been if this were 1994! But with today's CD business as it is and with musical tastes changing, I'm not sure who would put out those Decca and RCA LP's. The good news is that Collector's Choice did release "From Nashville...The Hit Sound" which is my favorite of their RCA albums since it contains the best of the country/pop songs of that era: HEY JOE / MY LAST DATE (WITH YOU) / SINGING THE BLUES / THE OLD MASTER PAINTER / YOU DON'T KNOW ME / NEAR YOU / NIGHT TRAIN TO MEMPHIS / I'LL HOLD YOU IN MY HEART / BYE, BYE LOVE / FOUR WALLS / OH LONESOME ME and HALF AS MUCH. The mastering quality is fine and it obviously is all stereo. Kerr's group actually did sing back-up on the Jim Reeves "Four Walls" session.
The liner notes by Colin Escott are well worth the cost of the CD. I did learn something new after reading these notes. Jack Stapp was a prominent radio figure at WSM in Nashville who not only gave Anita considerable live exposure on the radio station, but in later years Jack Stapp and Buddy Killen would go on to form Dial Records and sign Joe Tex. I met both of these gentlemen along with Ronnie Dove and Tom Diehl during those Joe Tex years at a music convention in Memphis. (I'm sure a denial and a request for a retraction of that comment will be forthcoming!!)
Colin Escott mentions that Chet Atkins hired Anita as his A&R assistant at RCA where being signed as an artist was also part of the arrangement (no pun intended.)
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TonyWatson Registered: 02/02/04
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| | 06/09/06 at 05:51 PM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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Marty: That Anita Kerr 'From Nashville...Hit Sound' LP is excellent, however their 2nd (or 3rd?) RCA album from 1962 'Tender Words' (LSP 2679) is even better - Take Good Care Of My Baby / Tragedy / I Love How You Love Me / As Long As He Needs Me / My Johnny Is Gone / Young Love / Joey / Come Softly To Me / Too Young To Go Steady / Why Don't They Understand / Let It Be Me / A Rose And A Baby Ruth. It's now very hard to find, indicating that people are hanging onto their copies. If only some enterprising label would issue those 2 albums as a 2-fer. ...And I'm still waiting for someone to issue their '62 charting 45 for RCA 'Joey Baby' on a CD. |
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TomDiehl1 Registered: 01/31/04
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| | 06/10/06 at 02:29 AM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Marty The liner notes by Colin Escott are well worth the cost of the CD. I did learn something new after reading these notes. Jack Stapp was a prominent radio figure at WSM in Nashville who not only gave Anita considerable live exposure on the radio station, but in later years Jack Stapp and Buddy Killen would go on to form Dial Records and sign Joe Tex. I met both of these gentlemen along with Ronnie Dove and Tom Diehl during those Joe Tex years at a music convention in Memphis. (I'm sure a denial and a request for a retraction of that comment will be forthcoming!!) Marty, it would be interesting if we ever met....but i can guarentee that never happened. I dont think you've been to my neck of the woods any time that I've lived here. If you have, i'd have to wonder if you were stalking me...just kidding. Dove did live in Nashville for most the 70's, then he lived in Augusta, Georgia for a while in the 80's before returning back to Maryland. |
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Barrympls Registered: 01/31/04
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| | 06/10/06 at 07:59 AM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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Isn't it interesting how many times a tiny insignificant labels managed to get a hit when, if the same song had been released on a "major" label ("Forever" on Decca as the Anita Kerr Singers, for example) they couldn't have gotten arrested?! Looking back at 1959-61, it's amazing how many "out of left field" labels had monster hits; Jive Five on Beltone, Sarfaris on Eldo, Paradons on Milestone, Toni Fisher (Miss) on Signet, Little Dippers on University, The Paris Sisters on Gregmark, and the list goes on. (How was it possible that Minneapolis radio stations played The Velaires' "Roll Over Beethoven" when it was still on the Phoenix label, Palms, before Jamie picked it up for national distribution?) Those were the days.....radio stations got hundreds and hundreds of promos monthly, and the program directors actually listened to the promos....read the advanced lead sheets from the labels and industry magazines, and actually occasionally broke songs on their radio station. I would love someone to do a book on origins of hits...where the independent single first broke, who was responsible for giving it a chance, how it broke nationwide, and which hits that were regional-only did in those regional markets. A single that got to #45 in Billboard might've broke huge in a few markets only...rather than just selling moderately well everywhere. I don't think I've ever seen a book dealing with this kind of regional action. I'd sure be in line to buy such a book. |
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Marty Registered: 03/04/04
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| | 06/10/06 at 05:03 PM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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It just goes to show how the economics of the business have changed. Years ago, Collector's Choice would always put out two-fers and sell them at a fairly reasonable price. This is what I thought they were going to do with the Anita Kerr packages. Thematically they certainly could have put out both of these on the same CD since they each contain country/pop chart hits. But I bet that BMG was unwilling to give them a good price and guarantee for a two-fer and so they probably figured that one CD with one LP on it would have a better chance to sell than a two-fer that had both Kerr LP's but was priced north of $25 .
The same thing happened when Collector's Choice issued two old Mercury David Carroll LP's: "Let's Dance" and "Let's Dance Again." I'm not sure how many David Carroll fans there are out there but I think that since the running time of these LP's was fairly short, it would have made more sense to issue both of these as a two-fer. But again, maybe Universal was unwilling to give a decent enough deal to Collector's Choice.
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Barrympls Registered: 01/31/04
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| | 06/10/06 at 06:33 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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Another case in point; in Minneapolis back then, they used to have news headlines at :55 and they often filled in 30-60 second of time by talking with an instrumental in the background. One of the stations started playing "Love Is Blue" by Paul Maurat this way and they were the first station to play it....they got requests for the whole song and it broke first here in Minneapolis. Not so much my kinda hit, but I remember that that's the way it happened. I also know that The Who's "My Generation" didn't reach #74 because most big markets played it a bit and people didn't buy it much....it never got airplay in Minneapolis and I believe it was a bit hit in Boston and a few other markets which pushed it "nationally" to 74. I get the feeling that most of the singles that charted only higher than 50 were mostly regional hits....and not nationally played. |
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JeffBroderick Registered: 02/01/04
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| | 06/10/06 at 08:29 PM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Marty I'm not sure how many David Carroll fans there are out there I was always a big fan of his album covers. (I'm a big fan of the sound of The Anita Kerr singers and enjoy their backup work on many of my favorite songs. Never knew that "Forever" was theirs until I saw it here a year or two ago.) |
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ChipHP Registered: 02/03/04
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| | 06/11/06 at 10:32 AM | Reply with quote | #15 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by TonyWatson Marty: That Anita Kerr 'From Nashville...Hit Sound' LP is excellent, however their 2nd (or 3rd?) RCA album from 1962 'Tender Words' (LSP 2679) is even better - Take Good Care Of My Baby / Tragedy / I Love How You Love Me / As Long As He Needs Me / My Johnny Is Gone / Young Love / Joey / Come Softly To Me / Too Young To Go Steady / Why Don't They Understand / Let It Be Me / A Rose And A Baby Ruth. ... FWIW ... Tender Words was their 3rd RCA LP ... "The Genius" in Harmony (which I am guessing contains Ray Charles songs) was their 2nd ... Mellow Moods of Love was their 4th ... followed by We Dig Mancini ... and Sunday Serenade was their last '60s RCA LP ... |
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