tomken22
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Reply with quote | #16 |
Quote: Originally Posted by BarrymplsQuote: Originally Posted by tomken22
Hi Guys,
I remember very well hearing PPM in the Spring of 1964 here in the
SF Bay Area. I don't remember which station or stations played it.
I remember thinking how much I liked the song. And then it was gone
and so were the Beatles.
Tom Kennedy
By the spring of 1964, all radio stations were playing The Beatles heavily. One of the reasons why we didn't get any Beatles airplay in late 1963, was in the Twin Cities, we had our own pheonomon; The Trashmen's "Surfer Bird", which was a monster hit and the first local single to break big nationwide.
Oops - I meant they played PPM in the Spring of 1963!! (Duh on me - it makes a lot more sense now).
Tom K.
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luv_stereo
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Reply with quote | #17 |
Quote: Originally Posted by pstodd
Arnie Ginsburg played "Please Please Me" and "Love Me Do" on WMEX in Boston in the fall of 1963. He introduced the songs as by a group that was getting a lot of attention in England, and asked listeners to call in with their opinions. Evidently, the Boston audience didn't think too much of those singles, since they were dropped from Arnie's playlist after a week.
Around the same time (Sept./Oct. '63), the very first Beatle song I remember hearing on the radio was "She Loves You" on Boston's WBZ. I think SLY got a better audience response than "Please Please Me" or "From Me To You" because I think I recall hearing SLY for more than a week's worth of airplay. Also, I don't recall ever hearing PPM or FMTY until just after "I Want To Hold Your Hand" broke wide open in early '64. |
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Nichollsradio
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Reply with quote | #18 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Unclebob
I received a promo copy of From Me to You from Vee Jay (white label promo), and I played it for two weeks on KACY in Ventura County in 1963. No one requested it, no one tried to buy one at the local stores. We announced it as the number one record in England. Nada.
It wasn't until Capitol spent $50k to promote the group that things started to happen in America. EMI had to order them to release the Beatles. EMI owned 50% of Capitol at the time if memory serves.
Capitol had , and probably still has, total autonomy on what it wishes to release . Even though they are owned by by EMI , EMI didn't, can't and wouldn't "order" them to release anything . It was the ever persistant pressure from George Martin, then head of EMI's Parlophone division , on the Capitol brass in America that led , in part , to Capitol finally "caving" in on the Beatles. According to his comments in The Beatles Anthology ,Martin said Capitol has refused to release any Beatles product in America , which led Martin to lease the songs to VeeJay and Swan. Capitol was finally persuaded to release "I Want To Hold Your Hand" only after not only seeing the heights of popularity The Beatles had reached overseas ( and probably looking at the sales figures from EMI ) , but also, the VeeJay and Swan records had begun to start selling more briskly , months after their original releases . After the Beatles became popular in America and ushered in the British Invasion , there were other acts on EMI in England that Capitol didn't release here , but ended up on other American labels . Examples: The Swingin' Blue Jeans , Billy J Kramer & The Dakotas, and Georgie Fame ended up on Imperial , The Dave Clark Five ended up on Epic , The Hollies ended up on both Imperial, and later Epic , Frank Ifield ended up on Hickory , and Gerry & The Pacemakers ended up on Laurie . There are probably other examples of EMI acts that never made it to Capitol , but to other labels in the U.S.
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tarobe
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Reply with quote | #19 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nichollsradio
There are probably other examples of EMI acts that never made it to Capitol , but to other labels in the U.S.
The Yardbirds
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Unclebob
Registered: 11/30/04
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Why do you guys nit pic our postings. I say EMI ordered them because I was there and that's what I remember. You seem to feel it's your duty to correct me. Why? Everything you wrote was to pressure them to release the Beatles. How is that different if the result is the same.
picky picky.
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Unclebob
Registered: 11/30/04
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Reply with quote | #21 |
Even though they are owned by by EMI , EMI didn't, can't and wouldn't "order" them to release anything .
Lots of speculation there, and not many facts. Pressure...orders, the result is the same. I assume you worked for either Capitol and EMI and can document what you say.
Many posters on this board speculate endlessly about why and why not certain things happened. It doesn't matter. I try to live in the present...even at my age. The past only exists in our minds as rather poor recollections.
I'm sorry I forgot to mention your wrongly placed comma in your posting. Now I feel better.
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Nichollsradio
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Reply with quote | #22 |
OK Bob , you do have a point. But you didn't mention you worked for Capitol at the time . And I wasn't quouting me on that post ( I was only 9 years old in 1963 ) but that of George Martin's comments from the Beatles Anthology . Now, I DO remember having a conversation with a Capitol Record Promo guy in the late 70s during my time in radio and we actually got on to that subject and he said " London ( IE: EMI Corporate ) doesn't tell us ( IE: Capitol in America) who to sign . One reason is although a particular artist may do well in England or Europe , they may not be a good "fit" for American record buyers. The tastes in the two countries are very different. "
Now , you will concede that EMI may have told Capitol it may be in their best intrests to take the option on The Beatles before another American label signs them first . I've worked in business and sometimes upper level brass may issue directives that may be really "veiled threats" , as in "you'd better do this , because if you don't and it blows up in our faces, you're gonna take the fall for it . " That may have been what actually happened .
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tarobe
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Reply with quote | #23 |
According to Alan Livingston (who also worked for Capitol Records at the time) as quoted in Bruce Spizer's The Beatles' Story on Capitol Records (p. 8), the decision to sign the group was made by Capitol's president after receiving a phone call from Brian Epstein. He clearly states that he was under no obligation to do so.
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Unclebob
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Reply with quote | #24 |
The endless speculation about the old events is interesting. I have a friend who is a Beatle nut. He has a sealed stereo butcher cover.
For me the thrill was being there at the beginning in 1963 and introducing the Beatles to our audience. I also sent dubs to KHJ of British tracks that were not yet available here.
Capitol spent $50k to promote the group...they did more than release the record after Dexter "Americanized" it to his tastes.
I did not work for Capitol, I did get visits from all the promotion people because we were a breakout market for LA Radio. I was there and it's what I remember.
Bottom line is they released the records whether being ordered to or not. But if the head of my company makes a personal phone call from London, I think I would pay attention. I'm sure Epstein called. But no one really knows for sure who else may have called...now do they?
Anyone that's worked in radio has worked for programmers that had the "golden ears" and all that crap. Anytime they think that, they should just look back at old playlists and see how much crap we played at the time.
I may have been the first person to debut Surfin USA on the radio but I was also the first person to play a lot of crap that never went anywhere.
I remember adding "96 Tears" to the playlist and the jocks hated it and did not want to play it. I promised if they would and it flopped I would take it off and admit I was wrong. Well, you know the rest. I personally thought it was a POS, but we had a large Mexican audience, and research showed it had broken it some smaller markets. Research and gut..and then ears.
On another occasion I asked the PD to add Tiger By The Tail to our playlist. He ridiculed me for that. Three weeks later he asked me for a copy. It had just broken the POP top 40.
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Hykker
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Reply with quote | #25 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Unclebob
For me the thrill was being there at the beginning in 1963 and introducing the Beatles to our audience. I also sent dubs to KHJ of British tracks that were not yet available here.
Curiously, why did you send unreleased tracks to KHJ in 1963, since at the time they were an also-ran MOR station? Bill Drake & Ron Jacobs didn't launch the format that made the station a legend until May '65. Wasn't KRLA the top 40 leader in '63? |
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Hykker
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Reply with quote | #26 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nichollsradio
Frank Ifield ended up on Hickory , I don't know if he ever recorded for Hickory, but his only U.S. hit "I Remember You" was on VeeJay. |
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Nichollsradio
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Reply with quote | #27 |
According to the BSN Hickory Discography , in 1966 , Hickory issued a "Best Of Frank Ifield " LP with material licensed from EMI London ( including "I Remember You" which had originally been issued in America on VeeJay .)
I have a Hickory promo single by Frank Ifield with one Ifield song ( I forgot the title ) on the A side and "I Remember You" , the same version issued by VeeJay , on the B side . I guess when VeeJay went belly up , the American rights to the Ifield material were up for grabs and Hickory scooped them up.
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ded
Registered: 02/02/04
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Reply with quote | #28 |
Frank Ifield's Hickory chart/non-chart material was:
1397 No One Will Ever Know/I'm Saving All My Love 8/1966
1411 Call Her Your Sweetheart 10/1966
1435 I Remember You/Stranger To Me
1454 Out Of Nowhere/Kawliga 7/1967
1473 Fireball Mail
1486 Oh, Such A Stranger/Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye 12/1967
1499 Adios, Matador/Rovin' Lover
1507 Morning In Your Eyes/Don't Forget To Cry
1514 Good Morning, Dear 10/1968
1525 I'm Learning, Child
1540 Let Me Into Your Life/Mary In The Morning
1550 I Love You Because/It's My Time
1556 Love Hurts/The Lights Of Home
1595 Someone/One More Mile
LPS-132 Best Of
LPS-136 Tale Of Two Cities
LPS-144 Rovin' Lover
There could be more. This is what is in Whitburn and currently on GEMM. I don't know what is from EMI or what was recorded by or for Hickory.
Dave
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jamiecrawford
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Reply with quote | #29 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nichollsradio
I have a Hickory promo single by Frank Ifield with one Ifield song ( I forgot the title ) on the A side and "I Remember You" , the same version issued by VeeJay , on the B side
I have always felt that "I Forgot The Title" is a lost underrated classic. Sort of left field Ifield.
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Mr_Hitsofyesteryear
Registered: 02/02/04
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Reply with quote | #30 |
Frank Ifield's US single releases:
Artist Title Label Year Style Media
Ifield, Frank I'm Confessin' CAPITOL 5032 1963
Ifield, Frank Waltzing Matilda CAPITOL 5032 1963
Ifield, Frank Please CAPITOL 5089 1963 Pop
Ifield, Frank Mule Train CAPITOL 5089 1963
Ifield, Frank Don't Blame Me CAPITOL 5134 1964
Ifield, Frank Say It Isn't So CAPITOL 5134 1964
Ifield, Frank Sweet Lorraine CAPITOL 5170 1964
Ifield, Frank You Came A Long Way From Saint Louis CAPITOL 5170 1964
Ifield, Frank True Love Ways CAPITOL 5275 1964
Ifield, Frank I Should Care CAPITOL 5275 1964
Ifield, Frank Don't Make Me Laugh CAPITOL 5349 1965
Ifield, Frank Without You CAPITOL 5349 1965 Pop
Ifield, Frank I'm Saving All My Love (For You) HICKORY 1397 1966
Ifield, Frank No One Will Ever Know HICKORY 1397 1966 Pop
Ifield, Frank Call Her Your Sweetheart HICKORY 1411 1966 Pop
Ifield, Frank Give Myself A Party HICKORY 1411 1966 Pop
Ifield, Frank I Remember You HICKORY 1435 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Stranger To Me HICKORY 1435 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Kaw-Liga HICKORY 1454 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Out Of Nowhere HICKORY 1454 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Fireball Mail HICKORY 1473 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Just Let Me Make Believe HICKORY 1473 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye HICKORY 1486 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Oh, Such A Stranger HICKORY 1486 1967 Pop
Ifield, Frank Adios Matador HICKORY 1499 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank Rovin' Lover HICKORY 1499 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank Don't Forget To Cry HICKORY 1507 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank Morning In Your Eyes HICKORY 1507 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank Good Morning Dear HICKORY 1514 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank Innocent Years HICKORY 1514 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank Maurie HICKORY 1525 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank I'm Learning, Child HICKORY 1525 1968 Pop
Ifield, Frank Let Me Into Your Life HICKORY 1540 1969 Pop
Ifield, Frank Mary In The Morning HICKORY 1540 1969 Pop
Ifield, Frank I Love You Because HICKORY 1550 1969 Pop
Ifield, Frank It's My Time HICKORY 1550 1969 Pop
Ifield, Frank Lights Of Home HICKORY 1556 1969 Pop
Ifield, Frank Love Hurts HICKORY 1556 1969 Pop
Ifield, Frank Sweet Memories HICKORY 1574 1970 Pop
Ifield, Frank You've Still Got A Place In My Heart HICKORY 1574 1970 Pop
Ifield, Frank Someone HICKORY 1595 1971 Pop
Ifield, Frank One More Mile, One More Town (One More HICKORY 1595 1971 Pop
Ifield, Frank Lonesome Jubilee MAM 3612 1972 Pop
Ifield, Frank Teach Me, Little Children MAM 3612 1972 Pop
Ifield, Frank I Remember You VEE JAY 457 1962 Pop
Ifield, Frank I Listen To My Heart VEE JAY 457 1962 Pop
Ifield, Frank Any Time VEE JAY 477 1962 Pop
Ifield, Frank Lovesick Blues VEE JAY 477 1962 Pop
Ifield, Frank Wayward Wind (The) VEE JAY 499 1963 Pop
Ifield, Frank I'm Smiling Now VEE JAY 499 1963 Pop
Ifield, Frank Nobody's Darlin' But Mine VEE JAY 525 1963 Pop
Ifield, Frank Unchained Melody VEE JAY 525 1963 Pop
Ifield, Frank I'm Confessin' (That I Love You) VEE JAY 553 1963 Pop
Ifield, Frank Heart And Soul VEE JAY 553 1963 Pop
Ifield, Frank Play Born To Lose Again WARNER BROS. 49095 1979 Pop
Ifield, Frank Yesterday Just Passed My Way Again WARNER BROS. 49095 1979 Pop
Ifield, Frank Crawling Back WARNER BROS. 8730 1979 Pop
Ifield, Frank Why Don't We Leave Together WARNER BROS. 8730 1979 Pop
Ifield, Frank Crystal WARNER BROS. 8853 1979 Pop
Ifield, Frank Touch The Morning WARNER BROS. 8853 1979 Pop
Hope this helps.
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